Inspiration .. flashes .. what is perceived as, .. the norm of thinking out of the turmoil of brain activity.

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I would not put .. a nail .. a distinction between the two .. suffice to say .. the fine boundaries .. of conscious and unconscious activity .. their interaction .. a collaboration .. how it is affected .. obscured .. blurred .. disoriented by the conditions surrounding ..self .. favourable conditions ..a must .. for its un-interrupted ..action .. whatever these might be .. for an individual .. a specific individual ..

a mind .. fresh, crisp, brand new .. like in the morning .. as if the thoughts .. leave a residue behind .. that clogs up .. the paths .. the passage-ways for the trajectories to run .. for thinking to develop .. evolve .. thought residue .. clouds the mind .. the conscious action .. its will aspect .. clouded, obscured, haphazard .. looses purpose, focus, attention .. the sleep clears the mind .. hippocampal or other action .. memories .. jumbled-up fragments .. separated, sorted in piles, segregated .. the paths cleared .. highways .. ready for another bout ..of activity .. amidst a day's toil

'The Emperor's new mind' Roger Penrose page 542

"The many hard hours of deliberate conscious activity would certainly be necessary, and sometimes it would take a while to re-acquaint myself with the problem."

.. in my mind .. trying ..to acquaint? .. myself? .. to the hmm.. value? .. role? .. significance? .. relative ..value? .. of whatever .. of conscious ..vs unconscious .. the relevance .. of conscious and unconscious ..activity .. deliberation

despite all .. this chaos .. I feel .. I am building the attractors .. and out of both .. modes of thinking? .. conscious ..thinking and unconscious ..thinking .. to find out .. how the two are related .. or ..being more precise .. how ..I relate them

.. mentioned them as modes ..of thinking .. though to someone .. and not me .. would not attribute .. thinking with unconscious

.. nevertheless I feel .. that both ..collaborate .. need each other .. intertwined .. one takes hold ..on what the other ..has left on .. a loop .. swirling constantly ..and that action ..goes beyond .. what someone .. wants to prove .. they have ..a connection? .. their connection .. all of their own ..despite of what ..lingers at the back ..of the mind ..of anyone .. trying to handle ..their relationship

they need .. one-another .. regardless ..of viewpoints ..one looks at them ..

hard hours .. of deliberate conscious activity .. Penrose hard on his heels .. to prove ..the superiority ..of conscious ..self? .. to its ..unconscious counterpart .. but that is not .. what conscious is .. it is not one of its attributes .. deliberate? .. may be to the point .. that expresses will ..and tenacity ..and perseverance .. a focusing ..kind of ..action .. to concentrate the focus of attention .. to one particular ..aspect ..object .. while at the same time .. is wandering about .. swirling around .. above ..what it is sustained ..by .. what is relevant .. to the aspect or ..the object .. deliberately ..its activity ..is focused upon ..

conscious activity ..is driven by will .. wants to ..

.. what I have ascertained .. about ..a point to ..contemplate ..separately .....

.. the concentrated nature .. attribute of ..conscious activity ..its single-dimensional nature ..its wave-front .. the tiny .. focal point .. to the quantum .. of the world .. that bears it? ..it is a part of .. a photon wave .. its wave-front ..sinusoidal .. the loop ..in time ..of its motion ..its movement ..followed the wrong thread .. inappropriate .. irrelevant dimension .. strayed .. lost focus .. taken away .. to the unconscious ..side .. need to ascertain ..focus ..deliberate ..conscious action ..

conscious action .. to put me back into the path .. I had originally in mind .. hard hours of conscious activity .. anything but .. where ..haphazard ..chaotic involvement .. what conscious does ..is to pull ..one's mind .. out of the chaos .. and put ..the concerted thinking .. back on the track .. force the mind to settle the chaos .. into an attractor .. a dive ..necessary ..in deep waters

all thinking ..is unconscious .. conscious action .. the flashes .. a sign that a connection ..has been availed .. an association .. of concepts ..notions .. ideas .. which to the physical level of the brain .. equates with a ..bridge .. a synaptic connection .. between one neuron with another .. or may be more than one .. several neuron-to-neuron connections between neuron groups .. assemblies .. which as ..wholes .. represent the concepts involved

flash .. connections snapped ..into being .. inspirations .. the mode of function of brain activity .. the norm and not ..the exception .. the underlying turmoil of all brain activity .. of thinking ..

Chaotic logic?

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.. chaotic logic .. an overview of logic .. ponder on it .. it will come without being aware of .. the problem and the solution .. out of the attractors .. that chaos is built out with .. never fret .. be confident .. have confidence ..


Example: The second law of thermodynamics .. sprung up .. in front of me .. present itself .. to my consciousness .. without warning .. un- anticipated ..

it made wonder .. is it just a fluke? .. does it fit? .. to my current mode of thinking .. the urge to revise .. the concept used .. mode .. it is not mode .. 'something' objects .. argues .. what is that 'something' .. that raises that objection .. apart from the tedious .. the obvious .. that is 'me' and 'me' .. participants .. huh .. in this conversation .. huh again ..

participants .. where .. did these participants .. came from .. concepts .. grappled with .. and by .. thought .. the circularity .. in this process .. contemplating the concepts .. the concepts get back to you .. concepts participate in the conversation .. a loop .. suspended on its own .. materialise .. instantiate .. without the need .. for another .. the physical presence .. of another individual .. to bounce on your ideas .. on your thoughts

what is your role then .. (no question-mark) .. just a wondering thought .. your participation .. in this process .. seems minimal .. the process unravels .. without you actually making a significant contribution .. you are just recording the outcomes of the process .. concepts .. kind of .. answer back .. and concepts raise the questions .. you are just the vehicle of that conversation .. you might as well .. not be here .. witness? .. (that's a question-mark)

hindsight .. or the idea this line of thought .. touched .. touch .. the rudiments of .. soul .. or 'something' .. along the lines of soul .. the word soul .. being used and abused .. repeatedly ..

witness .. (not a question-mark) .. wondering .. contemplation .. the closure of the thought? .. for now? .. reached a stalemate? .. no bouncing back? .. it exhausted the gamut .. the range .. of stored .. stored what? .. the words .. memories .. concepts? .. that's just using the same term .. to refer to itself .. stored .. what there are imprints of .. patterns .. neural nets .. in neuron pathways .. adjacent neurons .. synapse .. connected .. synapse mediated pathways .. the carriers .. (look at that) .. that gives an answer .. to what .. you implied .. what you came up with .. a few minutes ago .. in the paragraph above .. the witness .. you are not a mere witness .. or just a witness ..you are the carrier as well .. or .. even .. the sole carrier ..

without you .. without your mind .. there won't be any concepts .. to talk about .. you make it possible .. if it wasn't for you, concepts would not exist .. receptacle .. you are the receptacle .. where concepts reside .. develop .. argue with you .. or between themselves

immortality? .. purpose for being? .. what we are? .. along these lines ..

How long will it take, for an (any) untrained brain, to fathom into the most intriguing aspects of human knowledge.

How long will it take, for an (any) untrained brain, to fathom into the most intriguing aspects of human knowledge. The complexity is bottomless but yet within the grasp of the mental capabilities of the human individual. One can master any subject in any discipline human knowledge invented.

The question is asking, how long, as it takes for granted, and not assuming, that such a task can be accomplished. It is not, if, or whether, a human individual is capable of mastering any aspect of knowledge open to scrutiny, but how long. The current thought occurred, well not occurred, instantiated, out of thoughts triggered while reading the following paragraph page 102, 'emergence, from chaos to order' of John H. Holland

"Processing. For simplicity, the model will do its central processing via a large number of neurons that are interconnected at random. That is, the axon of any given neuron in the central group branches in such a way as to make random synaptic contacts with other neurons in the central group. The connections, once established, remain fixed thereafter. This arrangement, of course, sets aside all the structural biases that evolution has supplied to real nervous systems. There is, however, an advantage to using a model net that has no initial structural bias. Any feature extraction accomplished by such net can only be the result of learning; it cannot be built in by an initial structural bias."

Feature extraction. Features that describe and define concepts. Concepts assume their existence by the features that describe and define them. What the human brain is doing is identifying features, lost in the mists of insurmountable complexity, but lost to the untrained mind, only too obvious to the trained mind. The vast range of stimuli for the brain to take in, enormous. Hinders the efforts of individuals to acquire meaning, stimuli for all the features concepts or non-concepts are made out of, and acquiring the right stimuli of the right features, the features the trained mind will pick out from. And how this ability is afforded .. it is afforded by learning ..the process by which vast amounts of knowledge has been accumulated over eons by inquiring minds, one that is the signature of all individuals.

It sets aside the structural biases, the hardwiring aspect, the genes, the genetic makeup, what has been used up incessantly to separate people, into worthy and unworthy, capable and incapable, brilliant and stupid which attributes intelligence as something inherited through generations. The tendency of past and current societies to belittle the human individual and its constant efforts to stray the individual away from accomplishing its goals, collectively and individually.

What fed hordes of conceptions to support racism, sexism and all other discriminatory constructions to achieve ulterior goals. It (learning) shakes off, and keeps shaking of, all these maligning conceptions, the proof, the indication of such process, or whatever someone can call it, it is irrelevant

Humble me .. I will challenge the 'randomness' quality .. attributed by the sentences .. 'interconnected at random' and make 'random synaptic contacts' which do not give credit to the implications of chaotic processes which our brain employs, and by implicating chaos as a participant and as a way of processing, we make use of the attractor concept deeply seated within the chaos framework. The concepts sought after, lie within an attracting basin that chaos assisting processes leads us to.

Chaos enabled pathways, trajectories assists us in our journey to knowledge, as knowledge is already there, awaiting for our arrival.

The wonders of my mind ...

Learning, that is what I am doing right now. And what is learning? Simply categorising all the new information that entered the realm of my mind, in the immediate past, pigeon-holing it, organising it according to the framework, I have chosen gradually over time.

Haphazard, in a way chaotic, as i prefer to call it. Chaotic in the manner it instantiates, it is brought into existence, right from when it is generated right down to the way it is implemented.

Generation, by the way the accumulated instabilities already in place, deep into my brain, vibrate, responding to tiny flickers of ideas, I come across, and set the neurons in my brain in motion. Neural energy floods my brain, drives my neurons re-arranging actions. Instabilities, ideas ad limbo still seeking closure resurrect. Synapses ad necessito break apart, the room they leave, a void to be filled by new synapses, eagerly absorbing the new ideas, while an excited state overwhelms my being. New synapses, unforeseen, rigorously form.

Implementation chaotic, by way it is organised and by that I mean, without being sought after, specifically. Without seeking the particulars of any specific information, but letting information come in, seemingly haphazardly, without any plan, any conscious plan for that matter, without a consciously implemented plan.

Brought along, another attribute of chaos. In the way it manifests itself, a radical overhaul of sectors of ideas fostered by minute inconspicuous details of information. Little ideas with overwhelming potential, as by changing them, enable my mind compelling insights.

Out of the blue, of no-where, of seemingly incoherent information, the attractors of my thoughts, the framework set forth, is hidden from my conscious mind, but nevertheless, exists. What is seemingly haphazard, is not haphazard at all. It guides the essence of my thoughts, without me knowing and puts them together.

Learning, a process which incorporates all the seemingly disparate ideas, into a coherent whole. Its limitation, its necessity of a clear, un-troubled mind state, required. Clarity of mind available, at only suitably selected day's intervals.

Analysing a thought from its inception to its conclusion.

Analysing a thought from its inception to its conclusion. It is a process and as such it will be dealt with. For the thought to materialise, to instantiate it has to be embedded in two levels, the brain and the mind. The brain refers to the neural structures that carry the mental structures, the neural structures being the vehicles for the mental structures.

It relies upon the existence of a certain number of intermediate, pre-existing thoughts in the form of ideas, concepts, notions namely pre-existing mental structures despite their validity, as such the only pre-requisite is that they are secure in a psychological sense in the mental level and more significantly, for the thought process to occur their existence in the neural level. A necessary condition to be satisfied otherwise the thought process would not occur.

The thought process would undergo with whatever is available at the neural level. The mental structures are composite exist as free-standing units and they are accomplished via connections associations between neural structures by synaptic pathways. Synaptic pathways traverse disparate regions of the brain? Proximity matters?

Confusion matters? Confusion dissolved? Cleared? Confusion a hindrance for a thought to occur? A thought can be thought as a novel way of looking at things, something new created despite its magnitude or its significance. It differs from other mental processes that involve a simple recall of stored ideas, concepts, notions, or even plain memories.

Thinking is a process where new associations are performed and is triggered when individuals are confronted with tasks which there is not a ready made solution. They have to invent the solution.

"make sense"

Peeve of the day

Kevin LeBleu said...

Tom: I don't think "make sense" is a very good measure. Our brains are only built to make sense of what they'd encounter in a natural/wild environment, without the aid of technology much more advanced than stone tools. Even then they only had to make enough sense of stuff to out-survive the other guy.

Perhaps "have supporting evidence" would be a better measure?

A few examples of things that don't make sense, but are well supported by evidence are General Relativity, Special relativity and Quantum Electro Dynamics.

Another problem with the "make sense" approach is that deity "makes sense" to a lot of people, because our brain is built for understanding how other people think and finding patterns. Unfortunately, it makes it easy for our brain to try and interpret naturally occurring events as having a human-like intelligence behind them.
May 4, 2009 10:43 AM

... "I don't think "make sense" is a very good measure" ...

What does make sense ... actually means.

Certainly there is a valid point ... in what Kevin LeBleu mentions that ...

"Our brains are only built to make sense of what they'd encounter in a natural/wild environment, without the aid of technology much more advanced than stone tools."

Our brains, and not even our minds, are built to make sense and by that I take it, as our senses, our sense organs, all of them, will confer to what it makes sense. Implicates our sense organs. The sense we make, is what our sense organs, allows us to.

It brings into my mind the thoughts I had contemplated upon the range of stimuli our sense organs can detect, upon which, our brains and our minds will make sense out of. Our brains will only see the narrow range of what is going on around us, that our own human resolving time allow us to detect and from them to pick the stimuli and use to make sense. Anything else is obscured, it is not there, practically equivalent to, it does not exist, as our brains and the minds we make sense with, do not take it into consideration.

The thought Kevin LeBleu expressed

"... without the aid of technology much more advanced than stone tools"

it reminded me what I read about our human resolving times compared with the resolving time of a fast electronic device

"For the human eye and ear, resolving time is about 0.1 s, while a fast electronic device might have a resolving time of 10 billionths of a sec (10^-10 s)."

This idea alone made me think how many events are taking place around us, that our senses can not distinguish and built experience, as our resolving time is not small enough to separate them into the distinct entities they are. How much information is lost. Technology makes it possible to overcome this limitation, as the recent scientific breakthrough about the world's fastest camera.

To what extent people are taking on board these fundamental limitations of our brains, when they try to make sense out of any new ideas they come across.

Is it not an overindulgence, being over-optimistically proud of what we consciously know, and with such unfounded fervour, try to pass along what sense we make?

That kind of attitude is not different, from the ridicule (I can certainly imagine so) suffered by the individual who invented the wheel, by his fellow stone-age contemporaries, or any other innovation that run counter to what individuals made sense of.

for me ... this is not, in any way different, for any idea that comes along.

What if our human resolving time was on a par with the resolving time of a fast electronic device?

Though, the thought above it would require drastic human alterations, not feasible, however it raises the question of how much more there is around the matter of our experience, the information we take in, that there is experience still to be had.

Would it not then our brains, with our senses, equipped with the resolving times of fast electronic devices, be able to resolve between events, that now we experience as taking place simultaneously, as been distinct from one another? How would this alter our perception? The sense we make out of things around us?

Do we rely too much in what we consciously know and make sense out of. There is loads of information out there, from which we have only the knowledge of the tip of the iceberg.

Is it wise to dismiss any new ideas that are coming forth on the grounds of what it makes sense, for us right now?

Questions seeking to resolve ensuing chaos

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.. chaos ensues as there is something still unresolved ... seeking its resolution .. as in everything there are variables and parameters .. that define the processes underlying a system's state .. the paths taken .. a change in one of the values in the variables or parameters perturbs the processes under way ... myriad alternatives are revealed .. with each one a potential solution to the problem at bay .. that offers the resolution needed

individual seeks order? .. the drive, the motive .. to resolve chaos .. by looking at the internet with the keyword chaos .. we probably will amass a great number of cases daily .. which refer to chaos .. and find what was still unresolved .. and what change .. in what specific variables or parameters perturbed the processes .. what alternatives have been unravelled .. and whether there was any of alternatives picked out .. as the solution to the problem

Changes in variable or parameters? .. either change .. or change in only variable or parameter? .. anyway, my thought developed that .. the changes which will bring forth temporary(?) chaos .. would be on parameters .. as first the range parameters vary is small .. whereas variables can accommodate a larger range .. variables expected to change freely .. without a big effect on the state of a system .. a linear effect .. whereas parameters are restricted, not as free as variables .. and their change .. might alter completely the state of the system .. potentially(?) nonlinear effect

might alter completely the state of the system? .. as a system is defined by the variables and parameters that brings it forth .. is relying upon a specific set of variables and parameters ... new variables are expected to appear, to emerge .. and they are responsible to the system's new state .. 'old' variables might either disappear completely or their presence might be reduced .. second-rated .. their significance diminished .. a set of other variables at bay .. variables hidden .. underlying .. non-observed .. unobserved .. the system changed non-linearly